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I would like a gal fuel trailer for our strip in South Texas. What are the options for a small trailer that can be driven on the highway to pick up LL? Please understand, I have neither the ability nor the inclination to build one myself. I saw someone in trade a plane selling these. They had a picture of it. It was simply a tank mounted on a single axle trailer. Looked like a nice set up and could fit under the wing of an airplane. Find a big truck junk yard, side tank - gal mount on trailer or stick in pickup when needed.
Glenn I've thought of that. How clean do you suppose you would have to get the tank? I mean to get the diesel out. A tank full for the pickups. Then fuel for the plane? I've thought of that. Mike You put a pump on it or let it feed by gravity but put a filter on it if you think you need it, I use the same cans for my diesel tractor as I do for the plane and use gal a year for the plane but every other fill up the cans have diesel in them, 19 years no problem.
I have a gal Al big rig tank with a 12V pump that I put in the back of the pickup and went into town to fill at a gas station and would bring back to my hangar and fill the gal ground tank, but lately I'm too broke to buy gal at one time so I'm back to cans on the weekend. How tough are your DOT folks in Texas?
That's why all the pickup tanks you see for sale in stores say "Diesel fuel only" or some such. The venting requirements for gasoline tanks is very different than it is for diesel. In most states, I doubt this would be an issue, but a trailer is going to have to be licensed These tanks are legal to haul gasoline, DOT approved on the highway.
You can haul up to gallons legally, i have 93 octane no-ethanol and LL delivered to me but also go to the gas station if we run short at times. The quality is excellent on these tanks also. A bulk plant operator refused to fuel my old gallon tank. He recited the regulations to me and gallons sticks in my mind as my legal maximum.
My current tank is gallons and nobody's given me any problems since I changed to it. If you buy a commercially available tank that's placarded diesel only you'll need to modify the filler cap to allow pressure to vent. The stock caps will hold an alarming amount of internal pressure without leaking.
Enough to deform a steel fuel tank. A simple hole drilled through the gasket and sealing flange on the cap solves that problem nicely. Mine's been in my trucks for about 10 years and works fine. I believe that the law says lbs of fuel and above, including container, requires placards.
For commercial hauling, more is required. When I was giving seaplane rides in my Beaver in Wisconsin, I researched portable fuel tanks extensively and found that it was impossible to legally fill a tank at the airport and transport the fuel to my seaplane facility in any economical volume.
I also looked into having one of those prefab. I solved the problem by "renting" an underground tank they used for snowmobile fuel in the winter at the local tavern, which was about a half mile from my lake house. I would have the local petroleum dealer split a load of LL with the local airport -- I would get gallons at a time and I paid the same wholesale price as the FBO. From there I would fill up a gallon tank in the back of my beater pickup and pump it into the plane.
Worked great -- Beavers suck too much gas to use cans. JPG Five hundred gallon, 12 volt pump. Legal on the highway, legal on the shoreline. Brian These look pretty good. Hard to find in Spokane but can get in nearby Idaho.
Will try to find local source for tanks. Is that how we are going to fill my cub when I come thru? Bugs - There is one company in California that i also found that build legal gasoline transport pickup fuel tanks also. There is a price to pay if you want to try be legal, look at certified airplanes, maintainence and insurance that goes along with them??
For an average guy that's carrying gallons what differentiates a "legal" tank from any other commercially available transfer tanks? Regarding tanks, I would also like to know why one tank is "legal" and the other isn't. Here is a pump that seems popular: Seems like I remember the pickup tube on them was PVC rather than steel.
I use the 15gpm fillrite pump and it has worked flawlessly for years. My red FillRite is listed for gasoline. It's been a good pump but the locking arm is a joke. The illusion of security. Think about that before you pay extra for more output. That tidbit is from experience with owning both. Mike, where did you get your fuel tank? These ATI pumps look nice and are low profile: If you buy an ATI make sure you always carry an impeller replacement kit with you.
I've had two of those pumps. I was a slow learner. It still fills faster than any gas station pump I've ever used. Another vote for Fillrite Not a hickup and the meter is dead on as well.. Stewart - As for legal, Attitank has the DOT approval placard on the tank and they give you the paperwork to carry with you also. That is the story they told me, let the lawmen sort it out, you seem to have different rules in AK.
I just try to stay somewhat legal if i can being i run a commercial operation. I am going to buy another and keep in MN also either in the truck or on a trailer. I have 3 fillrite and 1 GPI electric pumps, stay with fillrite. I also have 2 GPI hand pumps for the arctic trips, they work fine. Brian, I wasn't being facetious, I really wanted to know. I've been told the DOT rules don't apply to non-commercial vehicles but hazmat limits do. It was recited to me but I've never been able to find it in writing.
That's what I was hoping for, a clear, written regulation for review. In any case legal doesn't scare me as much as liable does.
I've been through a drawn-out fuel spill remediation. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Stuart - I am not sure either, but it looks better if i have the paperwork and placards. All i know is Northern Tool tanks says not legal for gasoline, so i went with the more legal route??? I am going to fill the floatplanes now for a days flying in sunny Forida, but i can't wait to get back to MN and play with other toys! Stewart, it is not a gallon rule, but a weight rule. I do not remember the exact working, but if you ask the local scales, or call the State of AK Commercial guys they will tell you over lbs of fuel and container needs placards, and the correct placards.
This is also why you hear different gallon amounts, because diesel and gas weigh different. Remember, these placards are for the emergency crew that shows up when things have gone bad That's how I found out the DOT rules don't apply.
I've heard the gallon rule but never a reference to weight. Where is it written? I've researched this topic numerous times and have never found any regulations that applied to private vehicles. I just found this. It answers my questions. The vents for gasoline have to be a LOT larger. Otherwise, every state is a little different on quantity.
As a member of a family that owns a bulk fuel plant in Alaska, I can tell you that the guys at the plant will only fill gallons of gasoline in a personal tank. I have never heard a weight restriction, only a gallon restriction but I will sure ask the guys who'll know. I have an older motorhome with a 70 gallon tank. Has anyone thought about using something like this to transfer fuel to an aircraft?
Any ideas on how to safely transfer the fuel from the Motorhome tank to the plane? If this were feasible it would be pretty easy I would think to have an aux tank installed in the motorhome for larger capacity.