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VeritasSapere on August 23, , OgNasty on August 23, , Saying those are the only two choices for Bitcoin is extremely dim-witted. First of all Bitcoin XT is not an altcoin. To think that we should never hard fork is the equivalent of saying that the core developers have absolute power over the development of the Bitcoin protocol.
Or as Mike Hearn said "they believe that the only mechanism that Bitcoin has to keep them in check should never be used". We should not think that we must have the consensus of the core developers if that consensus becomes impossible to reach, since that is tantamount to centralization of power.
The ability to hard fork in this way represents the check that we have against such power that a core development team could hold. This is part of what makes Bitcoin truly so decentralized. There are right now only two fundamental choices we can make. We can either vote for Core or we can vote for BIP, these right now are our only two choices.
You can call me dim-witted if you would like but I would prefer it if you could prove me wrong. Can you point me towards an alternative client that I can run right now that will support bigger blocks which is not BIP? You seem to think you need to take some dire action right now to save Bitcoin. I would suggest that your attitude is exactly the type of panic that those two teams are trying to play on. I mean, supporting XT for solving a larger block size debate because you want "an alternative client that I can run right now" seems like the actions of an impatient and frightened person.
If you have some financial involvement with BlockStream or XT, I can see why you'd push those as the only options. If you aren't involved with either of those projects, then you need to open your eyes and think for yourself. BlockStream and XT are both bad options.
Don't support either one. You are even telling some of these pro Core trolls to chill and not be so malicious which is admirable. The shill candidates have been subverting anti XT arguments in a highly developed fashion. I checked back a little just now to your exchanges with Krona Rev, you've been arguing straight, and having a productive debate. You seem as reasonable as you claim on that basis. But it will be after the fork.
Especially if the address format and the magic bytes have to change, in the event that Bitcoin and XT are running in parallel after January 11th. I agree with the premise, but not the conclusion. This could so easily have been the other way around. Andresen voluntarily relinquished lead dev role to Wladimir van der Laan to join the Bitcoin Foundation. If he had still been in charge, he was one of a few with commit access to the git repository.
If, given those circumstances, everything else had transpired the same way, then Gavin could at this point in time have already commited BIP to the Bitcoin main branch, causing far more serious divisions in the dev team than we see today. I would be in that camp, given those precise circumstances. The obverse of the "fork to check the devs" principle is that it can be used for malign purposes as well as those that are benevolent.
My assessment is that this threat is malignant. Would you agree that this range of choices should be expanded? I don't want either of the outcomes you have presented.
I mean, supporting XT which is a disgrace to what Bitcoin stands for, under the guise of solving a larger block size debate because you want "an alternative client that I can run right now" seems like the actions of an impatient and frightened person. BlockStream and XT are both shitty options with extreme benefits for their creators at the cost of the community.
The only way to do this is to not support Bitcoin at all in terms of running a full node or mining. Since not using XT or a patched version of Core is the same thing as a vote for Core. I would like to point out that there is actually an alternative version of XT that only changes the block size. You could even run a patched version of Core that implements BIP The block size increase is the only fundamental change to the protocol, the other features within XT are all optional.
Therefore the discussion should be about BIP, since those other features should be irrelevant to the discussion in terms of reaching consensus. Why is it a disgrace for what Bitcoin stands for? I suppose it is also true that I believe we should take action now to save Bitcoin, since I do not want the network to become overloaded in case we do have a spike in adoption possibly after some global event.