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It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons! March in General Project Discussion non-technical. I am seeking to establish the academic qualifications of the core developers in the Ethereum Project. Can someone point me to a wiki that would establish this?
This remarkable statement was made by Vitalik Buterin, who I understand has dropped out of first year university, to better engage in this space.
Statements made by Charles Hoskinson suggests that he is a pure mathematician and now cryptographer and software developer, but I have not been able to determine which departments and institutions of higher education that he has graduated from. I have not had the opportunity to vet the other core developers, but these credentials are looking a little thin, and as a consequence the design and implementation may reflect these accomplishments.
Are there other core developers with more established credentials than these? It might be loosely described as a note or a comment, but for Charles Hoskinson to refer to i, as paper, is a gross exaggeration and simply misleading. Some experience with published mathematical or protocol specification papers would afford a greater degree of understanding with accepted norms.
March edited March I for one am not too interested in their degrees. Let the ideas stand on their own merit. Mistakes will be made. Having said that here's Neal Koblitz's wikipedia article: I somehow don't think the independent co-creator of elliptic curve cryptography would be lured away by a start-up based on unsound math.
Some start-ups here in Silicon Valley have an informal "no candidates with MBAs or over 40s need apply" policy. Academic credentials aren't what they used to be here. We refer to the Nakamoto paper, but loosely it's a whitepaper. It's not a peer reviewed academic article. Same with the Ethereum whitepaper. I see that as a positive as it lowers the bar to understanding for a lay audience.
I try to understand the SCIP and Zerocoin academic articles and my eyes glaze over, it's very tough sledding for most of us. Scaling of the overall system is a different question. Post edited by aatkin on March Hi Aatkin, Thanks for your reply. I would like to be corrected, but it looks to me like these degrees are soft. If soft, then I would, if in his position, not be making the claims that he has. I have extensive experience in both research I have additionally experience in funding research via Bell-Northern Research and North American universities Lastly, I have experience working with investors.
In each of these cases, above, credentials matter a great deal. Try applying to Apple or Google today. My point is, that sure let the code speak for itself, but avoid making remarkable statements. It would be better, if these developers had a lower profile and let others speak to the public. By way of example, Gavin of BitCoin. This was least 'information dense' talk that I have ever seen and it did not advance the interests of the BitCoin community.
Developers are best left in the lab, where their expertise has been established. There are certainly exceptions. Open source has created a new form of 'en masse rapid prototyping'. Hoping to be proven wrong. I've always tried to focus on cryptocurrency apps rather than currency speculation. Perhaps you could review the papers and give some feedback? There are few among us with your credentials.
JDS are you here to help or complain? Are you claiming that academic hyperbole amounts to anything, or intelligence is the sole prevail of dead thought?
My experience is nothing and I ascribe to nothing and therefor consume no koolaid apart from the edge. Academia was once on the edge of thought and pushing experience, much the same for corporation and organization in centuries past.
I see a new paradigm bordered by disorganization and self-justifying systems. I hope you are willing to vet the newness and learn of what it is we are searching. A dynamic of untested connectivity, walls that fall away with every new day's venture. I would rather abandon the previous generation's grand lecture and embrace this vibrant thought, chasing meme; clairvoyant prescience.
Maybe leave us fools alone and we will no longer fool you. Let me know when you achieve supreme authority and I will not bow to you or your cynicism. First, as aatkin points out, the mere presence of someone like Neil Koblitz gives enough credibility to the theoretical cryptographic foundations of the project.
Second, academic titles only tell a small part of a story. A PhD in computer science for example to me just means that someone is willing to invest several years into targeted research and has the endurance to break new grounds in his field. For most practical purposes, such a person is of no more value than someone who has been in the industry for a few years. Academic knowledge tends to concentrate around very specific topics within a field. So in the case of Ethereum, one would want to look for experienced PhDs in the fields of cryptography or distributed computing willing to dive head-first into the startup world - a daunting task to say the least.
And besides, despite its young age, already there seem to be very bright minds in this community, which I personally find very assuring. Lastly, the Ethereum team continues to stress the fact that the current implementations are merely proof-of-concepts in something like a pre-alpha stage.
Bear in mind that with the targeted amount of funds raised, they're in the position to hire experienced specialists in the areas they deem necessary. On the topic of tech choices, I think you're focusing on the wrong question, when you ask about specific languages. It's never a language that scales or is secure, it's always the implementation or architecture of a given system. That being said, I am in agreement with your disagreement in terms of language choice for the alpha clients.
NET implementation of the specification, that aims to be easy to understand in order to foster main-stream developer adoption. Yet I seem to struggle with grasping some of the concepts from Vitalik's blog posts, which is why I don't consider his lack of academic credentials a particular problem to me PS: GeorgS Thank you for pointing out the developer basis for Ethereum's approach. I find the OP's comment are best suited for a PM to the moderators or directly approaching the founders.
The fact that it was brought up here on the forum was specifically to set a tone of authority, thereby nullifying any counter comments. I have no say in the makeup of the founders or their business model and find the forum comments that are attempting to hold sway are contemptuous at best, nefarious at worst.
Why bring up the remarks here, now, as if by simply stating them we now have primacy over the topic? Maybe the forum is not a place to perform investigations against the founders unless you plan to indict them for simply being themselves. Not everyone follows the ideal mold or attends the best schools.
I would like to know if you approach all investments with equal scepticism? Is your way the best? Should we view you with scepticism?
Should we be wary of your motive and methods? I would never trust a human that used a random forum to score academic credential by dispelling others' academic credential. Hi George, I will let this topic go I got into this topic, not because, I wanted to focus on academic degrees, but rather because Charles Hoskinson was making assertions that I did not think had merit.
People that do this, create problems down stream. I had watched part of the video here at Ethereum. I stopped the video to check the credentials, because attaining the 'title' of cryptographer is not a simple undertaking. Similarly, the assertion by Buterin does not make any sense in product development. If you are prototyping then, who cares The issue is, however With regard to C , I would not choose this either. I would not write Nginx in Python or a high level language.
I have begun looking at the code in BitCoin. It is not designed for performance, not designed for MS Windows which is where the target audience is - corporations. I could say a great deal more I have not looked at the Ethereum code - yet. First of all, if you want credentials, here you go: I got 4th place in Canada in the Canadian Computing Competition and 87th in the world in the International Olympiad of Informatics, the largest high school algorithmic programming competitions in Canada and the world respectively.
Sure, that's not a degree, but for someone in my position in life it's close to the best that you can get. As for my statement, you quoted two words that I probably said at one point, and I cannot directly justify my comment because you offered absolutely no context.